Subtle Body Vedic Science for Sukshma Karan Sthula Sharira

Modern science do not have complete knowledge on types of body a person gets or enters into, when he or she take birth in this world. Today’s kaliyugi science simply suggest to take care of mind and body, in a way, advocating involvement to worldly things and spend money around other developments of science. The main reason why modern science fails but Hindu Science excels is; modern science only research and deals with human body while Hindu science deals with body, mind, consciousness, nature and co-relation of our presence with the Supreme being who controls everything within or external to us.

Hindu Science is based on Vedic principles taught by Rishis since several thousands of years.

Vedic Soul Covers: Sthula Sharir, Sukshma Sharir and Karan Sharir

Vedic Hindu Science – Subtle Body Types: Astral, Causal and Physical

What are Details of Subtle Body Types in Vedic Hindu Science?

For alien researchers, Panini gave simple meanings which were later translated by regional scholars of Bharat. Vedic soul has three coverings, they are: Astral (Sukshma-Sharira), Causal (Karan-Sharira), Physical (Sthula-Sharira)

Sarira (Sharira) is Hindu term for the body, the physical self. According to the “Doctrine of the Three bodies” in the Vedanta, the human being comprises three Sariras or “bodies” – 1) Sthula sarira/Sthula-Sharira, the Gross body; 2) Suksma sarira/Sukshma-Sharira, the Subtle body, and 3) Karana sarira/Karan-Sharira, the Causal body. The Sthula sarira is the Annamaya Kosha, the Suksma sarira comprises Pranamaya Kosha (Vital breath or Energy), Manomaya Kosha (Mind) and the Vijnanamaya Kosha (Intellect) and the Karana sarira is the Anandamaya Kosha (Bliss). Karana sarira is the cause of Sthula sarira and Suksma sarira.

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The seven bodies or levels of existence include Sthula sarira and Linga sarira.

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Hinduism describes that the non-liberated soul are born (jiv) in “Mrutyu Lok” – the realm of the universe where life exists. They born, live, and die in this realm (lok), so, it is called Mrutyu (death) lok. Scientists have found that life can sustain even in the most extreme or harsh conditions. This is because of the superb structural and functional engineering of the body. Thus, body is an important unit of living being. In Hinduism, body is known as sharir, deh, tanu, or tan (ta´n). The Sanskrit word “tan (ta´n)” rhymes with man (ma´n means mind) and dhan (dha´n means prosperity or wealth). Middle Persian language (3rd to 7th century BCE) also used to have Sanskrit word tan (ta´n) for the body. Hinduism describes all living beings have three kinds of body, namely, Sthul (gross), Sukshma (subtle or psychological), and Karan (causal). This body of living beings is consisting of 24 physical entities, called tattvas.

Sukshma Sharira Karan Sharira Sthula Sharira

Sthula Sharira Chakra

Sthul sharir स्थूल शरीर

1. Sthul sharir (Sthula Sharira स्थूल शरीर): It is a gross physical body of the soul or jiv. Sthul body is made of different parts and organ systems called “Ang” and “Upāng” in Sanskrit. For the lower animals and microbes, their gross body is microscopic and they have tiny angs and upangs. Out of 24 elements, the sthul body of living beings consists of five gross elements known as Panch-bhuts. They are: Pruthvi, Jal, Tej, Vayu, and Akash. These five bhuts are created from Tāmas Ahamkār, which in turn is created, along with Rājas and Sātvik Ahamkārs, from Mahattattva. Mahattattva, which is equivalent to Chitt, is the primordial element of the body. Sthul sharir is perceptible by our five senses. According to Hinduism, an important function or the main purpose of Sthul sharir is to gain the ultimate knowledge of the Truth, to enjoy the bliss of God and God related spiritual pleasure in this very life, and to transcend to the abode of God after the death. But because of its nature of experiencing happiness and sorrow of panch-vishays it has become an object or vehicle for Bhog-vilās (worldly pleasures) causing more attachments to them, instead of achieving moksh, detaching from worldly pleasures, or achieving the highest spiritually enlightened state.

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Sukshma Sharira Chakra

Sukshma Sharir सूक्ष्म-शरीर

2. Sukshma sharira (Sukshma Sharir सूक्ष्म-शरीर): It is subtle, psychological or functional body. For higher animals it is psyche or mental body for the soul. It is not perceptible by our senses or sensory organs but its existence can be inferred and experienced in our day to day life. For the lower animals and plants sukshma sharir is functional and can be understood by their intelligence and activities related to survival and feeling of pleasure and pain, such as, food gathering, cell division and multiplication, mating, hibernation, running away from danger and developing bodily resistance against harsh environment, experiencing shock, sadness, crying, etc.

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Sukshma sharira carries with it the basic instincts for the protection and survival of a living organism, such as āhār (to eat food), nindrā (to sleep), bhay (to fear), maithun (to procreate), sukh (to feel pleasure), and dukh (to feel plain). In the modern time of luxuries we still feel unhappiness in our life. In the modern time of comfort we still feel that our world’s peace is at stake. This is because we are still harboring, in our sukshma sharir, the vices, such as, lust (kām), avarice (vāsanā), anger (krodh), greed (lobh), egotism (mad), infatuation (moh), jealousy (irshā), enviousness (matsar), hope (āshā), deep and intense desire or crave (ishnā, trishnā or trushnā), grudge or animosity (ver), etc.

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Hindu science of sukshma sarir, subtle body

We create our own mental body around us. For example, a person of one race, with a name, with a nationality, with specific skin color, with certain qualifications, with mutual social and monetary status, and a creed. I am doctor, engineer, actor, or businessmen, etc. I am rich or poor. I am brother or sister, father or mother, uncle or aunt, etc. Even animals, tiny creatures, and microscopic organisms also create their own such mental (sukshma) body around their soul and that is why they recognize their kind and also stay, mingle, and mate with their kinds. When we call an animal by its name it will look at us and respond, because, the animal has created a mental body around its soul. Our sexual orientation, irrespective of our chromosomal, hormonal, or physical orientation is the result of our mental (sukshma) body. A common person may think of himself as a king and a king may think of himself as a common person and behave accordingly because of his sukshma body. Sukshma sharir consists of rest of the 19 elements, namely, five Prāns, Vishays, or Tanmatras; ten Indriyas, four Antahkarans, namely, Man, Buddhi, Chitt, and Ahamkar.

“Panch-prān-mano-buddhihi dashendriya-samanvitam, a-panchikrut-bhutotham sukshma-angam bhog-sādhanam.”

Man (Mana) and Buddhi are part of sukshma or subtle body. Sometimes Ahamkar and Chitt are not included as part of sukshma sharir, which makes the total of 17 elements for sukshma sharir. The reason may be, Hinduism also describes that both Chitt and Mahattattva has indifference (abhedpunu). Because, just as Mahattattva is the primordial form and cause of three kinds of celestial body of Ishwar, namely, Virāt, Sutrātmā, and Avyākrut; Chitt also is the primordial form and cause of three kinds of terrestrial body of  Jiv, namely, Sthul, Sukshma, and Kāran. If this is the case, then chitt obviously, as a cause of other bodily elements, could possibly the part of kāran sharir. From chitt, three types of Ahamkār are evolved and from ahamkārs rest of the 24 elements are evolved. Thus, ahamkar would also become the part of kāran sharir. Probably, because of this reason both Ahamkār and Chitt might not have been included, by some, in sukshma or subtle body, instead they may be included as a part of kāran or causal body. In short, Antahkarans – man, buddhi, ahamkar, and chitt (mind or psych as a whole) is the cause of attachment and detachment with the worldly objects and their relatives. “Man eva manushyam kāranam bandh mokshayoho.”

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Karan Sharira Chakra

KAran sharir कारण शरीर

3. Karan sharir (Karan Sharira कारण शरीर): Hinduism has described Kāran sharir around our soul. It seems to be, the karan sharir of the soul has not been described before by any other religion except Hinduism. Kāran sharir is a causal body which is the sole cause for the gross and subtle bodies in the next birth of the soul that is not liberated or detached from the causal body. Causal body carries the information or knowledge acquired during the previous births. The infatuation and intense or deep desires for the worldly objects and pleasures, called vāsanā, goes along with it. Soul is firmly attached to this causal body or kāran sharira.

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Kāran sharira consists elementally of Māyā, so it has all the characteristics of Māyā. It is described to have attributes like, anādi (without the beginning and end), avidyā (ignorant in nature), and anirvāchya (indescribable or inexplicable). On death the sthul and sukshma bodies become “dust unto dust” or parts of natural physical elements. But the causal body or kāran sharira, after death, goes with the non-liberated soul (māyānvit meaning covered with maya) wherever the soul goes, unless, the soul is completely detached or freed from it. Once the soul is completely detached from its causal body made of Māyā, it goes to the abode of God called Brahmdhām.

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Hindu concept of sharira

This liberation of the soul is known, in Hinduism, as final redemption or “Ātyantik moksh”. Thus, final redemption in Hinduism is the detachment of soul from its three bodies consisting of maya and its attributes. It also means liberation forever from the cycle of birth and death, also known as Samsār chakra, because the soul has never have to come back to world again except for the God’s wish.

Chakra and Astral (Sukshma Sharira), Causal (Karan Sharira), Physical (Sthula Sharira)

Cosmic Soul ब्रह्माण्ड-आत्मा Defined


It is internal resource that co-exists with the external sources of the Bhumandala from Vedas. A proper understanding of the word, Anātman, cannot be had without the proper understanding of the Upanishadic concept of the Atman. The Vedic seers had long ago realised that the Atman is Brahman. They had realised the universal truth – ayam atman Brahman – that the Jiva, the individual soul, is not merely a part of Brahman, the Universal or Cosmic Soul, the Jiva is Brahman itself. Therefore, Adi Shankara in his Vivekachudamani explains – “I am the body”, thus thinks a foolish man. A man of mere book-knowledge considers himself to be a combination of the body and the Jiva. But the realised sage, because of his discrimination, knows that “I am Brahman”, and looks upon the eternal Atman as his Self, And, explaining thus, instructs – “Just as you would not identify yourself with your shadow, your reflection, your dream-body or the body in your heart’s imagination, so too, you should not identify yourself with your living body.” Also meaning thereby that all human beings can aspire to be liberated, and Self-realisation is possible during one’s own life-span; one need not wait for death to achieve this objective.

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According to the Upanishads the world phenomena is a creation of Brahman, a manifestation of Brahman who after creating the world created first the intermediary Virat subsisting between Itself and the Universe, created the couple Rayim and Prana i.e. Food and Prana, to produce in multifarious ways creatures that are impelled by Consciousness.

Sandilya, the metaphysical philosopher of the Chandogya Upanishad, provides to us the cosmological proof of the Absolute which he calls Tajjalan – Sarvam khaluidam Brahman tajjalaaniti shaant upaasite – “All this (collectively) is Brahman, indeed: what evolves from That, what dissolves in That, what breathes or functions in That, should be closely and calmly studied…….”  Thus, to the Vedic seers, Brahman, having all consciousness factors and all non-consciousness factors in abundance, appears as the mind, has prana as the body, and has the form of consciousness; constitutionally Brahman is – Mind, Life, Light (that which illuminates or reveals), Prana-sarira, Satya-sankalpah, etc. From Brahman emanate all organs, all worlds, all gods and all beings. Therefore, cosmologically, Brahman is the subtle essence that underlies phenomena, biologically, it is the supreme life-principle that gives life to the universe and psychologically, it annihilates all individualities. As Ishwara Brahman controls the sentient and the insentient, both. The world exists in time and space governed by causality.

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Because volition exercising Consciousness and its creation are both identical and there is one non-dual Pure Consciousness only, Adi Shankara concludes that this world of manifoldness is unreal i.e. Mithya, which is the wrong attribution of the qualities of the non-consciousness factor to the consciousness factor. This false attribution of the true concept of one to that of another i.e. false super-imposition, which is an eternal process, is called Adhyasa by Adi Shankara. This super-imposition is called Ignorance. But, Ignorance is not want of knowledge. Super-imposition is the apparent presentation to consciousness, by way of remembrance, of something previously observed in some other thing; it is illusory knowledge. Texts are based on this false super-imposition. Direct perception as well as the Shastras are part of Avidya, the world of duality fashioned by Maya. The object of Vedanta is to clarify the misconception that direct perception and Maya are real. The knower who has attained self-identification with the body, mind and senses etc., for him all means of knowledge become irrelevant. From the standpoint of the Absolute Adi Shankara regards the world as a false appearance while recognizing its empirical reality and denying its ontological reality.

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Summary: The sukshma sharira is the subtle body, also known as the astral or etheric body as per english translations done by Indians. It is the seat of the mind, emotions, and personal identity, and is the vehicle through which the individual experiences the world. The sukshma sharira is composed of the five elements (earth, water, fire, air, and ether) and is the source of the physical body’s energy and vitality. The original names of these elements are:

  1. Prithvi (earth/पृथ्वी)
  2. Jala (water/जल)
  3. Agni (fire/अग्नि)
  4. Vayu (air/वायु)
  5. Akasha (ether or space/आकाश)

The sthula sharira is the gross or physical body, which is made up of matter and is visible to the naked eye. It is composed of many diverse components, produced by one’s karmas (actions) in past life out of the elements which have undergone panchikarana i.e. combining of the five primordial subtle elements.

The karana sharira is the causal body, which is the source of the individual’s consciousness and is responsible for creating the subtle and gross bodies. The karana sharira is immortal and indestructible, and it is thought to be the vehicle through which the individual experiences the spiritual world. Of the five koshas, the annamaya, the pranamaya, the manomaya, the vijnanamaya and the anandamaya, the most subtle is anandamaya, also known as karana sarira.

pancha koshas Sukshma Sharira Sthula Sharira Karana Sharira

Pancha Koshas or Five Kosas

The five koshas are:

  1. Annamaya kosha: The annamaya kosa is the physical body and is made up of food. It is the most gross and visible of the five kosas and is associated with the senses and physical sensations.
  2. Pranamaya kosha: The pranamaya kosa is the energy body and is made up of the vital energies that sustain life. It is associated with the breath and the functioning of the body’s systems.
  3. Manomaya kosha: The manomaya kosa is the mental body and is made up of thoughts and emotions. It is associated with the mind and the process of thinking.
  4. Vijnanamaya kosha: The vijnanamaya kosa is the wisdom body and is made up of knowledge and understanding. It is associated with higher consciousness and the ability to perceive and understand the world.
  5. Anandamaya kosha: The anandamaya kosa is the bliss body and is made up of pure consciousness. It is associated with ultimate happiness and fulfillment.

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  • ramananda rao barkur says:

    Interested in study of spirituality of vedas

    • Yes interested please help me

  • Barbara Campbell says:

    Friday, April 23, 2021 Would you kindly let me know when this article was published? I want to quote from it. It is OUTSTANDING. It is very difficult for those outside of India to comprehend the vast literature of the Vedas or the Puranas. I am particularly impressed with the extensive knowledge displayed by the back and forth “debate” in the comments.
    The only way I can grasp the relationship between Lord (Sri) Krishna and Mahadev – Shiva along with Sri Ganesha and the shakti deities is to use the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox description of the Christian trinity. Three distinct persons sharing the same essence. The Roman Catholics insist that the Holy Spirit (Paraclete) proceeds from the Father and the Son. The Eastern Orthodox Church which predates the Roman version insists that Holy Spirit is the “Giver of Life” and that he proceeds from the Father”.
    I’m not sure if the Supreme Deity is a composite of all of the deities and that they “proceed” ” emerge out of” him/her or not but from it appears that Vishnu reveres Shiva and vice versa. Each reveres their shakti selves or wives. And in some cases it appears that there is a Supreme Goddess out of which all universes and deities emerge (not born).
    I’m pretty sure all of these deities are well aware that the vast majority of humans have no interest in any of this. An old lady who simply wants to make an offering to a god, doesn’t care. She just wants to worship and show devotion.
    Intellectuals like to drive themselves crazy trying to figure it all out.
    But this article has helped me immensely because now I language to describe what lives on and what reincarnates.

  • Hare Krishna! After death Shukshma and Karan Sharir departs from the body along with the inner soul. is that correct? Who we call Jeev Atma actually? What is Yatana Sharir?

  • Savitharaj says:

    How to leave all sharira bhavanas ? How can we get to know about the matter that we have been overcome by each sharira bhavana?

  • Gobinda das Mandal says:

    Soul is neither born nor die not shifted from the gross body after death.Soul is all pervading. How can soul be divided and shifted to another body during birth. How can indivisible soul be divided and shifted to another body. During death only subtlebody alnog with causal body disintegrates from the physical body. At the time of beginning of birth in womb of mother only subtlebody merging with causal body enter into the foetus .At the time of death of physical body ,subtle and causal body disintegrates. Physical body does not function due to lack of subtle and causal body. Some sciptures have adduced that chitta and ego is the part of subtle body.
    Note- Chitta is the place where memory is stored.
    I am of the opinion that if past actions are stored in causal body, how can chitta or store house of memory be the part of subtle body?
    Chitta shoul be the part of causal body.
    Here chitta and ego should be the part of causal body(it is adduced here)
    Most of the scriptures does not agree that.
    What is right or wrong is not being know.
    Pronam .Joy guru. Joy Maa.

  • Ramakrishnan says:

    Wonderful in-depth explanation

  • Radhe radhe sir but I have some doubt all scriptures r saying that in this kaliyug only Hari naam will gonna save us from this samsar and praying to other gods is waste and in my childhood days I used to like lord Shiva and when the days went up slowly i started to like hanuman and then slowly i stated loving lord ram and then I got to know about lord Vishnu and his names know I m vwry deeply attracted to lord Krishna and lord Krishna says to their devotees without the grace of Shiva I will not get u not u will become Hari bhakt bcz of lord Shiva grace a person will be Hari bhakt and lord Krishna also says that nobody is ever dear to me as lord Shiva

    • Jai Shree Krishn Nagaraj ji,

      Shiv and Hari both are same. Shiv Bhakti is done with Shivaite tradition (Shaivism) and Haribhakti with Vaishanavite tradition (Vaishnavism).

      You can pray either of them very dearly.

      The best part about praying merciful Krishn is you can think of him as a friend, child or brother – this freedom is not there in case of other Vedic gods. Though devout Hindus do consider their Gods as either of them.

      Jai Shree Krishn

  • as a Hindu , I want to make my country as a Hindu country , I personally do a lot of work in social network to spread True essence of Hinduism , I don’t know who is the main admins of this website , I want to suggest them one thing , listen carefully , when a new visitor will come to your website , if h or she is not conscious about Hinduism or belongs to secularism , after 2 mints He and She will go without reading an entire article, why…..??????? Because , the hate is showing here , “REVEALED. Muslim Sai Baba is Not God, FRAUD EXPOSED!” many Hindus are the devotee of Sai Baba, they will not visit this webpage again , write something to make him hero , making him Hindu originated , n one will believe in your statements, and your job is to capture more and more secular , but work slowly , Mother teresa , sai Baba , they are now just like a icons , you can’t remove their pics from Hindus heart , what you can do , tell christinity forced MOther Teresa to convert her patients….. I hpe you understand

    • Radhe Radhe Sayantan ji,

      Respecting your views… however,

      We are of the view to have traditional approach sticking to our pious culture. Muslim babas, fakir and peers have caused immense damage to Hindu society and country. We cannot support further glorification of anti-Vedic rituals – we natives of Bharat are facing these since last 1200 years. Enough of allurement and appeasement. Glorification of anti-gods like sainath convey wrong message – indirectly allure Hindus into anti-Vedic folds, such people are more prone to leave Hinduism for terrorism cults like islam. Its better to call spade upfront.

      When you follow the path of Dharma, you cannot be in two minds – either you are with the Dharma or proponent of anti-dharmic rituals.

      Jai Shree Krishn

      • Great answer Haribol…too bad the entire world can’t be Hindu…i’m just learning my own roots and trying my best to study the real Gita and Vedas…and honest truth, if this entire world followed the Vedic teachings, there would be no human scums/murderers forcing other people to convert to something that is nasty negative for mind, body and soul. You’re doing a great job here on this website telling the truth about those who deceive the rest of us. I really wish Hinduism becomes the world’s religion…truly i do…Namaste Brother

        • Hara Hara Mahadeva says:

          yes correct, Islam is the worst religion creating problems across the globe. India is the safest place for Muslims to do Terrorism activities. Atleast some Pakistan Muslims left Islam and became Atheists, but Indian Muslims are the most cheaters in this world. They hate Hindus too much. Shameless Government pampers muslims too much. Islam doesn’t allow to save money and do creative things but only destroys and ruins our natural resources and create a hell in the world. Pasmanda Muslims are used as votebank for BJP to gain power once again. Hindus should start buying weapons and start killing Muslims. Pasmanda Muslims are more venomous than the Ashraf Muslims.

  • in total agreement with Subrat prabhu.clears confusion and establishes position of Krishna as Absolute.

  • Bro..the later part of your article where you describe Atman is not at all pleasing. I get a smell of Shankara’s Advaita Vada or Maya Vada from it.
    ….”that the Jiva, the individual soul, is not merely a part of Brahman, the Universal or Cosmic Soul, the Jiva is Brahman”……..

    BG declares that Jiva is a separated part (VibhinAmsa) of Krishna and is eternal (SanAtanah) (BG 15/7). By this, Krishna declares that His Divine Self is twofold (I) Associated Part (SvAmsa) and (II) separated part (VibhinAmsa). As SvAmsa, He descends as Avataras, The principle of His Supreme Lordship fully exists in His Associated Parts (SvAmsa) but not in His separated parts (VibhinAmsa), over whom a separate individual egotism (Krishna DAsatva) prevails. “Jiver swaroop haya Krishner Nitya Dasa, Krishner Tatastha Shakti BhedAbheda Prakasha”. So Jiva is Krishna’s Tatastha Shakti (BG 7/5) and Krishna Bhakti is the Eternal function of Jivas even after the emancipation. Moksha is not the final redemption. Although Jiva is not material and not Independent of Krishna and in that sense Vedanta declare Jiva as non-different from Brahman (Shakti Shaktimaoh abhedah), but Jiva is not the Brahman. The term Brahman in Vedanta only refers to Krishna or Vishnu, not any abstract nirvishesha principle.
    There is a scarcity of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu’s Achintya BhedAbheda Siddhanta in your article. I don’t expect this kind explanation devoid of Bhakti in your article.

    • Radhe Radhe Subrat Ji,

      After deep researching Vedas and Puranas, we get several instances where the debate of Vaishnav and Advait looks farcical. And we found with the blessings of Shree Krishna that Shree Krishna is same as Shiv and Shiv is not different from Krishna, they take different forms for their bhakts and type of bhakti they prefer.

      Advait show Shiv superior Bhagwan while Vaishnav believe Krishna as Supreme being. It is out of their deep love which sometimes crosses the line of dvesh and ahankar.

      We keep our interpretations open to Vedic texts which include Yuga incarnations, Purans, Mahabharat, Shreemad Bhagwatam, Bhagavad Geeta and Ramayan.

      Only limiting to viewpoints of Bhagavad Geeta would mean discrediting knowledge which is bestowed by Shree Krishna himself in Shiv form. Understanding knowledge of Vedas is not demeaning teachings of Shreemad Bhagavad Geeta because Vedic texts are compiled by Vishnuavatar of Krishna, Ved Vyas.

      And yes we strongly believe words of Shreemad Bhagavad Geeta as statements made by Shree Krishna for all of us. We also believe the concept of Shiv Aham which means we can become Shiv too with hardest of penances and Tapasya.

      The dvesh and ahankar in bhakti is not liked by Shree Krishna himself. Let us be open to the best of the thoughts of our Vedic culture. It only enriches our body and soul. Bhagwan does sacrifice many things for us, infact the Universe, center of Universe- our Earth, heaven, nature, elements and time/space revolve around Manu, It is only human body (not even Devtas/Asuras) which can travel through each one of these and attain Moksha. We are very fortunate to take birth on Earth as humans after billions of rebirths – more fortunate than Devtas themselves. And Bhagwan can revoke Moksha state as and when it is required. But that takes several kalp years to happen, which cannot be numerically calculated by us.

      Lets us all utilize the life to gain complete knowledge to perform Karmas.

      Jai Shree Krishna

      • Truth is not farcical, whatever attempt you may make to explain it through your own way; truth remains truth. Approaching truth is not dvesh and ahankar. In your other article you have written…… “Bhagwan Vishnu and Bhagwan Shiv are same. HariBhakt Srila Prabhupada explains in his purport how Bhagwan Vishnu acts through Bhagwan Shiv in the creation of the material world. Bhagwan Shiv acts on behalf of Bhagwan Vishnu. When the Bhagwan says in Bhagavad-gita (14.4) that He is the father of all living entities (aham bija-pradah pita), this refers to actions performed by Bhagwan Vishnu through Bhagwan Shiv. Bhagwan Vishnu is always unattached to material activities, and when material activities are to be performed, Bhagwan Vishnu performs them through Bhagwan Shiv.”…..
        Here you clearly mentioned that Shiv is Hari Bhakt, a Vaishnav, JagatGuru. Bhakti, Bhakta and Bhagavan are eternal. Through the grace of Shiv, one can get Krishna Bhakti. Through the grace of a Bhakt (Guru), one get entry into the Sadhana Bhakti under the guidance of the Bhakt (Guru), to get Sadhya Bhakti (Krishna Prema), still under the guidance of Bhakt (Guru). So Bhakti, Bhakt and Bhagavan are Eternal and at no stage one can throughout Bhakt or Bhagavan from their seat and grab their places. Then how can one become Shiv with a so-called concept of Shiv Aham? The very term Shiv Aham is itself false. No one can become Shiv. This is not Bhakti but a charade, imitation to kill your object of worship (Shiv) and take his seat to enjoy the material creation and fall prey to Maya again and again.
        Only limiting to viewpoints of Bhagavad Geeta would mean discrediting knowledge of other scriptures???? Upanishads, Brahma-sutra, Bhagavad Geeta, Puranas and Srimad Bhagavatam, the highest and real explanatory scripture of Vedanta have same meaning, same viewpoint and same goal. Jiva is Krishna Dasa, Krishna Bhakti is the Eternal function of unadulterated stage of all Jivas, and Krishna Prema is the Final and Ultimate Aim. Through the grace of Bhakta (Shiv) and Bhagavan (Krishna) one get entry into Bhakti.
        I am mentioning here from Brahma Samhita to know the nature of Shiv……
        Brahma Samita (5/8):
        “Shakarsana possessed the creative desire, is the subjective portion of Krishna, taking the initiative in bringing about the birth of the mundane world. Lying in the causal water as the primal purusa-avatar, He casts His glance towards Maya (the limited potency). Such glance is the efficient cause of the mundane creation. Sambhu (Shiv) the symbol of masculine mundane procreation is the dim halo of this reflected effulgence. It is this symbol which is applied to the organ of generation of Maya, the shadow of Rama or the divine potency for the purpose of creation.”
        The origin of Shiv and the meaning of Ling-Yoni is explained here.
        Brahma Samhita (5/45):
        “Sambhu is not a second Godhead other than Krishna. Those who entertain such discriminating sentiment, commit a great offence against the Supreme Lord. The supremacy of Sambhu is subdervient to that of Govinda; hence they are not different from each other. The non-distinction is established from the fact that just as milk treated with acid, turns into curd, so Godhead becomes a subservient when He Himself attains a distinct personality by the addition of a particular element of adulteration. This personality has no independent initiative. The said adulterating principle is constituted of a combination of the stupefying quality of the deluding energy, the quality of nonplenitude of the marginal potency (tatastha shakti) and a slight degree of the ecstatic-cum-cognitive principle of the plenary spiritual potency. This specifically adulterated reflection of the principle of the subjective portion of the Divinity is SadAsiva, in the form of the effulgent masculine-symbol-god Sambhu from whom Rudradeva is manifested.….“
        The real nature of Shiv is being explained here. These verses of Brahma Samhita are explanation of Bhagavad Geeta 14.4 narrated by you in your other article.
        Though Shiv is not a Jiva, but is VibhinAmsa-gata, not a SvAmsa. Krishna or Vishnu is the Vishaya-vigraha and Shiv is the Ashraya-vigraha. Krishna is Sevya and Shiv is the Sevaka. Krishna is Bhagavan and Shiv is Bhakt, Krishna is the Avatari and Shiv is GunAvatara.
        As Chaitanya Mahaprabhu says:
        ekale īśvara kṛṣṇa, āra saba bhṛtya
        yāre yaiche nācāya, se taiche kare nṛtya (CC Adi5/142)
        Lord Krishna alone is the Supreme Controller, and all others are His servants. They dance as He makes them do so

        • Radhe Radhe Subrat Ji,

          Bhagwan Vishnu in the form of Shree Ram prays to Shiv Ling in Rameshwaram.

          While Bhagwan Shiv in the form of Rudra Avatar Hanuman prays to Shree Ram.

          Shiv Puran suggests Shiv is the Supreme soul while Bhagwat Puran informs Vishnu is the greatest of all.

          Shiv Bhagwan and Vishnu Bhagwan are one and the same representing two different forms of Bhakti.

          There is no upmanship here, they mutually respect each other. And expects their bhakts to behave similarly.

          Whatever you mentioned is true however solely depending on the Vaishnavi text, while we are suggesting to be open to all texts.

          We completely agree with all texts (not only on interpretations) and spiritual information provided in them.

          when Bhagwan Krishna wanted to bring Kalpa Vriksha from Indra, he worshiped Bhagwan Shiv for blessings and that is known as “Gopeshwara Mahadeva” in Vrindavana means Ishwara (God) of Gopal(Krishna). However Gopeshwar is also the form of Gop (Bhakt of Shree Krishna – its not paradox but incidence of mutual respect). Again when Krishna wanted to have a son, he asked sages for their advice, who suggested him to pray Bhagwan Shiv to get a son. If Krishna was Vishnu against whose will nothing happens, why he said that “Shive Sarvadhi Sadhike” means nothing happens without Shiv’s will, so please bless me with a son! when the Mahabharat war was about to start, he asked Pandavas to have blessings of Bhagwan Shiv first and arranged a Pooja of Shiva Lingam.

          Similarly, to have darshan of Baby Krishna, Shiv convinced hard to Maa Yashoda to let him have this darshan, as he wanted to see his beloved Bhagwan. Moreover, the Rudra Avatar of Shiv, Hanuman, is such a great Bhakt of Vishnu Avatar, Shree Ram, that he will be protecting the name of Shree Ram in the Kaliyug (to negate the diminishing impact of Dharma), till the start of Satyug.

          There are numerous incidences where we find Shiv Bhagwan and Vishnu Bhagwan mutually respecting each other. And their Bhakts should not argue on the modes of Bhakti Paths they take to reach Supreme Soul.

          For all of us, they are one and same. No one is superior to the other.

          Jai Shree Krishn

          • Bhagavan Krishna is very dear to bhaktas and bhaktas are also very dear to Him even than His Own Self. He declares that He is BhaktyAdhin, out of seer love for His devotees. Bhagavan Krishna prays to Shiv, that doesn’t mean He preaches so called Shiv Aham through any second kind of Bhakti. Without approaching and worshipping (not with svatantra Isvara gyana) Krishna bhakta, one cannot get entry into Bhakti. Krishna preaches this by worshipping Shiv. And Hanuman prays to Shree Ram, not to reach any abstract Super Soul and merge into it. Hanuman is Nitya and His Ram bhakti is also Nitya and Ram is also Nitya. He doesn’t tell Ram Aham as so called Shiv bhakt says. Jagatguru Vaishnava shrestha Bhagavan Shiv told himself to Parvati devi:
            “Aradhananam sarbesam Vishnoradhanam param
            Tasmaat parataram devi tadiyanam samarchanam”……… meaning, amongst all Aradhanas, Vishnu Aradhana is the Highest. Serving devotees of Vishnu is higher than that.
            You mentioned about Shiv Purana. All Puranas are not perfect. There are Tamasika, Rajasika and Sattwika Puranas to suit different types of people. But different types of people with different moods, doesn’t mean that there are different ways to approach dharma. Dharma cannot be many. Dharmam tu sakshyat Bhagavat pranitam (Srimad Bhagavat). Dharma which is enjoined by Bhagavan is the only Dharma. Apart from that all are Adharmas. In other words BhAgavat Dharma is the only Dharma. Dharmas enjoined by different types of people according to their different moods cannot be called as Dharma or as different ways to reach the SO CALLED same goal, as we listen “jatah matah tatah patha”. This is simply non-sense. Different types Puranas are there only to bring Tamasik, Rajasik people to Sattwik and finally to nirguna or Visuddha-sattwa. Srimad Bhagavat is nirguna. It is enjoined at the start of the creation in the heart of Brahma by Krishna. (Chatuh sloki Bhagavat). After writing so many Puranas, Vyasa deva was still disgraced and unhappy. His Guru Narada Muni told him that he has not yet disclosed the complete Bhagavat Dharma in any of the Puranas. And then by the grace of his Guru, he started writing Srimad Bhagavat which was previously enjoined into Brahma. So Srimad Bhagavat is the only Pure and Nirguna Purana unlike other Puranas. And Bhagavad Geeta is the direct word of Krishna. So any other Puranas have value if it is obedient to Srimad Bhagavat or Bhagavd Geeta, else it is of no worth. Let me go back to Vedas. It is written in Rig Veda Brahmana—“Agnirvai devanambamo Vishnuh paramastadantara anya devatah”…………. Meaning, Vishnu is Parameswara, other Devatas are in middle and Agni is lowest”. This is one mantra amongst many like this in Vedas. There are 33 demigods described in Vedas, but Vedas declare that Vishnu is the Highest Tattwa, nothing is higher than Him and all other Devas are subservient to Him. Where Vedas directly declare this, what to tell about other scriptures?
            You mentioned about Gopeswar Mahadev, Shiv himself wanted to serve Krishna in Gokul and stayed there. Gopis worshipped Gopeswar Mahadev to attain Krishna Bhakti and serve Krishna in Rasa Lila. They didn’t worship Shiv as an independent god and attain the so called Shiv Aham or merge into the abstract Brahman. It is found in Srimad Bhagavat that Pracheta’s under the guidance of Shiv, served Sankarshana, the Lord of Shiv. They did not try to become Shiv (Shiv Aham) or tried to become Sankarshana.
            The question of mutual respect comes when there are two independent beings and for harmony they have to respect each other. Krishna and Shiv are not two independent gods. Shiv is not a Svatntra Iswara. As you yourself mentioned earlier, Mahavishnu is always associates with His Chit Shakti (RamA) and doesn’t associate with Maya (opposite of Chit Shakti) directly for creation process. He glares a Glance from a distance on Maya and that Glance or Halo or Jyouti or Ling is Shiv. In other words, Mahavishnu incarnates Himself as Shiv to associate with Maya for creation. But this Avatar (Guna Avatar of Vishnu) is not a SvAmsa Avatar of Vishnu like other Leela Avatars. It is a VibhinAmsa Avatar, for which Shiv is Ashraya Vigraha and subservient to Vishnu.
            Upanishads declare, Ekam eva dvitiam. There is not a second, apart from the One. So how can there be two aspects of Godhead as Krishna and Shiv for which there will arise the case of mutuality????

            So where is the catch? The catch is here –when you write, there are two Bhakti paths with Krishna Bhakti and Shiv Bhakti to reach Super Soul. As part of Adaita Vada, if you write that the Absolute is Formless, Nirvishesha, devoid of Potency, Niscriya, Abstract Principle, then you are highly mistaken. According to Vaishna Acharyas, It is merely misinterpretation of Vedanta. Absolute is associated Achintya Shakti. It is in His Identity itself. He has Chit Potency and Has Divine Sachidananda , Anandamaya Swaroop and Bhakti is the essence of Ananda which is the Eternal Function of all Jivas. That Divine is one and only one who is Shree Krishna. As the Divine cannot be two, then how could there be two Bhakti paths???? Bhakti is the only path and refers Shree Krishna only, no other deity. The final emancipation of Vaishnavas is not that Super Soul or so called Nirvishesha Brahman as you mentioned or not any Shiv Aham, but only Pure Bhakti, which is the Eternal Function and Aim of all Jivas, forgetting which they became Maya Baddha; not like the so called Shaivas who say that “Pasa baddha bhabet Jiva, Pasa mukta Sadashiva”. Their bhakti cannot be called as Bhakti, as by following so called bhakti, they climb over the head of Shiv and try to become Shiv themselves. Sheer non-sense.

  • Vimal raj says:

    Dear brother……karma bhanbam means our early life action of good and bad things is called karma bhandam…..what is mean by kaarya bhandam…..please explain….

    • Radhe Radhe Vimal Raj Ji,

      Karma is decided on overall actions we did in different situations.

      Karya is the deed of that particular moment.

      An impact or effect of both of these is bandhan which no one can escape as it revolves around our actions.

      Jai Shree Krishn

    • Radhe Radhe Sarita Ji,

      Thanks for the feedback. Please read other posts, hope you find them enriching too.

      Jai Shree Krishn

  • Excellent site …n tremendous knowledge …inspired me to read the vedas

    • Lalit Kumar Haribhakt says:

      Radhe Radhe Lucky Ji,

      Thanks for your support. Please read other posts and provide your valuable feedback.

      Jai Shree Krishn